Dr.pradp Noori:
Dear family,
Excuse us sir for chota and choti about the protocol .intention is that, this helps the new-comers .
When a pt comes in, they give their complaints not the detailing of the case .starting from how to go into details , what to ask ,how to get proper information from PT ( as VD Ganesh sir asked about the lifestyle, Vegas ect) what is the differential diagnosis, where we should not get confused. This is the training programe intented.
WITH MINIMAL INPUTS WE NEED TO START A SUCCESSFUL TREATING JOURNEY.the information is a discussion subject and all the vaidyas are expected to participate from the basic nidana to chikitsa. I hope all will participate AS A DUTY TOWARDS AYURVEDA. .there are more than 100 startup vaidyas who want to know this but unable to ask .this is an off beat but for the starter's HELPING HAND.
Chota and choti are starters in practice .these charecters representing are, not so confident, unable to ask but who wants to do a pure ayurvedic practice, earn their rice roti and dal , leading a respectable life of an ayurvedic Bhishak.
Expecting a little bit participation from all
Thank you
Admin CAV prime
gopi krishna:
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vijayalakshmi:
Whether she is married or not? Have children or not? If yes, what is the age and whether she is feeding? If she is a feeding mother give her shatavari or jeevanthi. And jeerakarista. It will reduce her pain and increases her brest milk also and dd as told by vd geeta rani
Dr.kamal:
C/O severe itching
Blackish discoloration
Big patches since 1yr
Very chronic...
Prakriti..vatakapha
Agni..mandhagni
Mala..vibandha
He used so many allopathic medication.. But he didn't get relief
1st started with
Krimikutararas
Arogyavardhini
Avipathy choorna
Eladi taila
Trichoderm ointmen for 1wk
Any other suggestions....
vijayalakshmi:
Gandhaka rasaayana can be added to your Priscriptions
DR. P. SRIDHARMURTHY, MYSORE.:
Moderately built female pt of age 40 yrs, undergoing hysterectomy+Oophorectomy. Doctor adv hormone replacement therapy. But pt wants ayu treatment instead of HRT, kindly suggest treatment.
Vd Saraswathi Sharma K:
What was the indication for hysterectomy? Any other associated co morbid conditions? What is her current cycle pattern. Parity?
Sir in all probability hysterectomy can be deferred unless it's something like Ca. Pl furnish details
Dr.nageswr Gokul:
@ Dr.. Sreedhara Murthy..
For your patient
I suggest.
Nagakesara ch.
Kukkutanda Twak bhasma.
Shatavari ch.
Vd Saraswathi Sharma K:
Can someone pl elaborate on kukkutnakhi guggulu. I asked earlier too but didn't get any response
gopi krishna:
Ayurveda immunization schedule was posted few days back in this group , can any one repost it or ping me to my personal account.
Please.
Dr.Madhavi Rao:
Kukkuta nakhi guggul...for gandamala, apachi.... Kukkuta nakhi chu+ guggulu...with anupanam...ghrutam+ Madhu,/ adhobhaktam/ eka vaaram/
Vijaydutt M V:
#Ayurveda #Immunization Many people around the world report of having experienced difficulties with the immunization program for children. Does Ayurveda have an alternative? Yes! If you thought that Ayurveda was too primitive, get ready for a deluge of wisdom coming to you from as long back as 5000 years or more. Here is a complete Ayurvedic immunization program till the child attains 13 years of age as described in the Pediatric textbook of Ayurveda called Arogya Kalpadruma (courtesy Gangadharan Vaidya)
Prākāra yoga: (preventive health care for child)
Prākāra means compound wall (to protect the child)
Ayurvedic immunization program
New born:
Vaca + tripādika rasa – 3 drops each day on the vertex – from 2nd day to 7th day
Benefits: digestion and immunity will be strong
After 15th day:
For 7 days – panchanga of vilva mixed in dhātri svarasa – 1 gram per day
For 1 month old child:
Ghee processed with [musta, hingu, vidanga & brahmi svarasa]
At 3 months:
Vyoṣa, śāriba raja, butter – for 7 days
At 6 months:
Musali kandaja raja + vyoṣa powder + honey – for 7 days
At 1 year:
Each month for 7 days
1st month – [dhātri + musta] + vyoṣa + madhu
Second month – [dhātri + musta] + mixed with butter
3rd month – [dhātri + musta] in sugar and warm water
4th month – [dhātri + musta] with sugar and honey
5th month – [dhātri + musta] with panchakola churna and ghee
6th month – [dhātri + musta] with jeeraka and pippali powder and honey
7th month – [dhātri + musta] with vyoṣa + dadima + mastu
8th month – [dhātri + musta] with granthika mūla + kuṭaja processed in ghee and given
9th month – [dhātri + musta] with vidanga + pippali + honey
10th month - [dhātri + musta] jiraka + vyosha + sugar
11th month – [dhātri + musta] with goat milk
12th month – [dhātri + musta] with sugar + jeeraka powder + cow milk
Only the mixing substance changes each month
3rd year:
All instructions are for 7 days each month
All medicines to be taken in morning on empty stomach
Ghee and sugar in equal quantity of medicine
Herbs will be 3 grams + 3 grams of ghee & sugar
1st month – guduchi, pippali, vaca
2nd month – vyoṣa, yashtyahva, vaca, saindhava, abhaya
3rd month – vella (vidanga), musta, ela, vaca, nāgara, pippali
4th month – sariba, vyoṣa, vaca, jīraka, kaiśikī (māśīkka)
5th month – dadima, musta, vaca, dhānyaka, māgadhi (pippalī)
6th month – punarnava, bhūnimba, vaca, kṣīrataru tvaca (nālpāmaram)
7th month – sūpyaparṇi (māṣaparni), musta, kova kizhangu (bimbi root), ṛddhi (kāṭṭumuthira), pippali, vaca
8th month – droṇapuṣpa, musta, vaca, palāśa tvak
9th month – brahmi, musta, vaca, kutaja, māgadi (pippalī)
10th month - mālatīpuṣpa, vaca, jīraka, kaiśikī (māyāphala) മാശിക്ക
11th month – śamī patra, jīraka, citraka, vaca, pippalī
12th month – musta, trikaṭu, dāḍima, āmalaki, viḍanga, tālīsapatra, citraka, paśugandha or ajagandha (വേള), abhaya, vaca
5th year:
Same as above but substitute vaca with puṣkaramūla
8th year:
Add sankhapushpi root + medicines of 5th year – mix powder with ghee and makshika
10th year:
Every month give ghee made with following herbs for 7 days
Dose: 10 grams
1st month – abhaya, vyosa, saindhava, vaca, Talisa patra, brahmi
2nd month – vidanga, amalaki, vyosa, pāṭhā, dāḍima, dīpyaka, kṛṣṇa mundā rasam (mandukaparṇi svarasa)
3rd month – jiraka, vyosa, saindhava, vaca, musta, pushkaramula in vetasāmla rasa (njerinjām puli)
4th month – jīvanīya gaṇa + musta, agnimantha, citraka, granthika in goats milk
5th month – draksha, punarnava, pāṭha, musta, hapusha mūla, kaṭphala, dāḍīma in goat milk
6th month – śāribādi ghrtam (sariba, musta, ushira, katutraya, devadāru, jiraka) in goat milk
7th month – nāgarādi ghrtam (nagara, amalaki, dusparśa (kodithūva), kutaja, musta, vilva panchanga) in water
8th month – pippalyādi ghrtam (pippali, kutaja, indrayava, draksha, brhati dvaya, amśumati dvaya, tikta, droṇa puṣpa, hribera, alarka, dīpyaka, dāḍima, musta, pāṭha, vaca, śigru, hingu, punarnava, vilva mūla, śamī valkam, mālatī mukulam, utpala, vidanga, amalaki) with dadhi mastu – after making the ghee it has to be filtered into a vessel contain
ing jiraka and sita (rock sugar)
9th month – vilvādi ghrtam – kasāya (vilva, ajamoda, nirgundi, granthika, musta, dadima) for kalka (vyosha, ela, citraka, vidanga) – add milk equal to the quantity of ghrtam
Another alternative - Pāṭha, droṇa puṣpi, musta in mastu – make a ghee of that herbal paste
Another alternative - vyosha, ela, citraka, vidanga, Pāṭha, droṇa puṣpi, musta in mastu – make ghee of this paste
10th month – trāyamāṇādi ghṛtam (kasaya – trayamana, brahmi, kutaja, musta, granthika; kalka – ativisha, musta, bhunimba, kutaja)
11th month – dadimadi ghrtam (dadima, triphala, vidanga, granthika (māgadhimūla), citraka and jivanti svarasa) + ghrtam and mastu in equal quantity
12th month – kaṣāya - patha, kutaja, bhunimba, dhanyaka; kalka – vidanga, palasa tvak, nisa dvaya, punarnva, vyosha, dipyaka, duralabha, yashti – make the ghee – administer with honey
13th year:
1st month – durva, vaca + sita, kshaudra, sarpi
2nd month - Brahmi, manduka parni, śamīvalka, bhṛngāmalaka, māgadhi, viśālā, vajravalli (asthisrnkhala), indulekha (bakuci), bhunimba, gopika (sariba) . __________________________ Vijaydutt M V:
@Vd Gopikrishna ji. But this is not scientific, as this schedule don't address any per titular disease.
vijayalakshmi:
What are the symptoms? Why she is undergoing hysterectomy? Why hrt has been advised?
DR. P. SRIDHARMURTHY, MYSORE.:
As pt is having DUB since 4 yrs
Payal K:
Kindly share everybody's experience on DUB
What helps...I have used many preparations depending upon situation like pushyanuga choorna, chandraprabha, bolbaddha rasa, nagkeshar choorna, kanchanar guggulu ( if kukkuutnakhi guggulu) is not available, Ashok, lodhra, Shatavari choorna as well
You can give virechana...Also add kaishor guggulu, sariva, manjishtha, vidanga, bakuchi, sookshma Triphala in your previous meds.
If there is lot of itching tell patient to add a piece of camphor on coconut oil and apply the oil on the skin. It helps to relieve itching
Dr.sunita:
Same case I too need info...one young lady aged 28 yrs ...moderately build ... in two years span ...uterus +one ovary and in next year the other ovary too removed bcos of cystic growths.. .non malignant ... now she's gaining weight ... lethargy ... other parameters are normal no h/O DM...HTN...THYROID ...
How to treat ... Ayurveda, line of management for HRT... and Estrogen balance and what all we can do in Hysterectomy oophorectomy patients ... are we can simply treat in perspect of menopause and associated issues ??? Please guide and share if any previous treated cases ...thank U
Dr.ravndr:
I always suggest all my veteran friends to present in ayurveda understand when we expect ayurveda treatment. This in turn help both Choti n Cora to understand ayurveda in a better way. Otherwise, treatment suggested is only a quackery.
For instance,
In the ongoing discussion there are 3 key words viz HYSTERECTOMY, HRT and DUB.
Two queries left here are, one HRT before TAH+BSO for palliative management and two HRT as a post surgical supplement.
DUB as you said, is only an 'Aartava vyaapat' and requires review / assessment of Dosha, Agni n dhaatu sampraapti vichaarana. This is the school of thought of Atreya (medical - palliative- HRT- dushtaartava chikitsa sootra). Assess DUB in terms of dosha and or other nidaanaarthakara systemic diseases.
is unclear whether Vds want to know what state of AARTAVA VYAAPAT or YONI VYAAPAT lead to Hysterectomy?
OR
Other things are related to SCHOOL OF DHANVANTARI (surgical, TAH+BSO) For yoni vyaapats.
vijayalakshmi:
If DUB is there it may be adogha raktapitta. Or even in prameha or rakta meha condition artava atipravritti may be present, and simply treating atyarthava may not help. In such conditions you can try with dhanwantara 101 drops or dhanwantara gritha and vasavaleya or vasa Ghana. Sometimes even vasanta kusumakara Rasa can be added
Even application of chandana, or gopichandana or rakta chandana lepa may help a lot
If she is gaining wait means after surgery because of adyashana or samashana she might have medo dushti. You can advise panchamrith loha guggulu along with medo dushti chikitsa
yeligeti swetha:
Gd mng...vds.
in hysterectomy nd oophorectomy cases,pt may get srotho avarodha ..(rasavaha,arthavaha,manovaha)
arthovaha srotho avarodha: decreasing the hormones.
symptoms:hot flushes,lethargy,drowsyness.
rasavaha:due to hormonal imbalance affects lipid metabolism..leads wait gain..loss of appetite,indigestion,all rasavaha srotho janya diseases
manovaha:due to low level of oestrogen.may get irritation,sleeplessness.memory loss..like.
trt:rasavaha..deepana paachana.
arthovaha:virechana nd vasthi.
manovaha:dhara,pichu n nasya.
deepana paachana:regulates the liver function--balance the lipid metabolism.
virechana :..relieves the srotho obstruction.
vasthi:bruhmanam...like HRT.
dhara:for proper hormonal secretions from pituitary...
this is totally my opinion...nt by any reference.
any mistakes is there plz.plz..excuse.🙏.
डाॅ. उत्कर्ष आर्य:
Sir, what are the USG findings..
Dr.sunita:
Thank you madam ...
Here hysterectomy...oophorectomy ... and menopause/the condition or issues ...after cessation of cycles I asked ... not Dub...
Swetha I started deepan pachana / treatment to correct the Agni started ...
Dr.Vishwanath Dixit:
3. An experimental evaluation of antihyperlipidaemic activity of Kukkutanakhi (Aspidium
cicutarium sw-dryopteridaceae) - A folklore herb.
Scholar: Hardiek Mori Guide: Prof. K. Nishteswar
Madam it was from IPGT & RA, Gujarat Ayurved University, Jamnagar(M.D. (Ayu.) Projects in progress)
vijayalakshmi:
at the age of 28 she reached menopause?
Dr.Ganesh kumar:
I think for younger doctors / vaidya's this protocol of history taking / absence of history is necessery.
so as to get a feed back.
this is for everybody who wants clarification about tretment for various dieases
1. no. visits by the patient 1st, 2nd etc.
2. state age, matrial status, food veg/non veg
3. work
4. response of patient to earlier treatment / reports summery.
5. diet advised and why?
6. wheather you are pacticing ayurveda, allopathy or mixopathy.
if possible financial codition of patient. (to select sukumara / kasta jeevi)
I am not against mixopathy but it is needed in upashaya/ anupashaya; understanding chaya parkopa condtion of disease
finally your diagnosis and nidana Ayurvedic and / or allopathic. (you will know your decision is right or wrong)
this will help to understand the patient condition and to select line of approach.
Simply statement like DUB treatment is like we going to medical shop and asking for something for head ache.
It is not Ayurvedic approach at all.
if their is sombody from poona
there is one doctor (Dr. Ashok paranjape) who specilizes medical tretment in cases of surgical treament; like Arsha, vruddi, appendicitis, Udara etc, Somebody can get his address or phone number; his advise will be valuable in cases where surgical intervention is advised.
Dr.sunita:
Surgery done last year only sir ... she was doing well ...HRT also given for some time ...and now from past 4_5 months she's complainning above ...gained 5_6 kgs weight in past 4 months ...
Dr.Ganesh kumar:
"one young lady aged 28 yrs ...moderately build ... in two years span ...uterus +one ovary and in next year the other ovary too removed bcos of cystic growths"
this is not history nor case history. Give information about dinacharya, Ahara kala, nidra
ahara matra etc.
Dr.venu:
Venugopal Rao:
Replace HRT with Phytoestrogens ......
Phytoestrogens are estrogens that occur in some plants.
Health benefits attributed to phytoestrogens include relief from menopausal symptoms and lowered risk of osteoporosis, heart disease and breast cancer. Phytoestrogens exert their beneficial effects through several mechanisms that slow cell growth and prevent inflammation. In addition, when acting on estrogen receptors, phytoestrogens behave differently from estrogen and more like Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulators (SERMs). An example of a well known SERM is the breast cancer treatment drug tamoxifen, which stimulates estrogen receptors in the uterus and bone, but suppresses them in the breast.
The most popular,best and effective plant that possess adequate Phytoestrogens is SHATAVARI.
In my practice I use Shatavari churna added with pippali churna.
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